This article first appeared in the St. Louis Jewish Light on August 13th, 2006
Young Israel hosts discussion on suicide
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Suicidal people want to die. A good way to stop someone from committing
suicide is to challenge them to do it. People who commit suicide are
looking for attention, and people who talk about suicide, do not commit
suicide. Black people are more likely to commit suicide than white
people, marrried men are more likely to commit suicide than single men
and single women are more likely than married women. Suicide is more
likely to occur in busy, crowded cities, such as New York. Most people
who commit suicide leave notes. People who are suicidal give no
warnings. If you ask someone about suicide they may start to think it
is a good idea. And heavy metal music leads to suicide.
If you are like most people, there is a good chance you
thought at least one of the above myths about suicide was true. Maybe
you believed them all. According to Nancy Collins, these are common
myths most people have about suicide, and even Collins admitted to
believing some of these myths before going to work at Life Crisis
Services, where she currently serves as senior therapist.
Another common myth surrounding suicide and mental
illness, which may be particularly pervasive within the Jewish
community, is the myth that the best way to deal with such issues is to
not talk about them.
Lou Albert, executive director of Jewish Family and
Children's Services, said the Jewish community is no different than the
general community in the kinds of problems it deals with, "but yet we
don't talk about a lot of things that happen, and I would say that is
not necessarily in our best interest."
"Community discussions about difficult topics are always the way to go," he said.
On Sunday, July 30, the Jewish community was invited to Young Israel
for a discussion on "Suicide: The Reality, the Facts, the Help:
Professional and Religious Perspectives," moderated by Rabbi Jeffrey
Bienenfeld and with presentations by Collins, Albert and Dr. Ed Harris,
a local psychologist. The discussion was supposed to take place in a
meeting room at the Young Israel, but was moved to the sanctuary when
it became clear there was going to be a large turnout. As one woman
from the audience stated during the question portion of the evening,
"We've had this event that has shattered our community."
The woman was referring to the suicide of Sarah Adelman,
daughter of Edward and Avril Adelman of St. Louis, on the Upper West
Side of New York on July 24.
Adelman grew up in St. Louis and moved to New York after
graduating from Brandeis University. She was working as a dental-office
manager in Rockefeller Center.
The funeral was held at Berger Memorial Chapel on July 26.
At the discussion, Bienenfeld described Adelman as "lovely, bright and
spunky," and said she was a source of pride to her family and all of
her friends, and the community.
"It is still difficult to believe that this all happened
less than a week ago," Bienenfeld said. "And we all miss her terribly,
and we feel for the family."
Bienenfeld said the Adelman family was understandably
conflicted about what to say when the circumstances surrounding Sarah's
death became known, "but to their credit they soon realized that
Sarah's tragic death might be an opportunity to assist others in
dealing with the psychic pain that so often leads to suicide."
The Adelman family founded the Sarah Adelman Memorial
Fund, with one of its stated missions being to support programs and
initiatives to help individuals deal with psychological and social
issues, including the tragedy of suicide. The fund will also support
individuals in need of counseling and crisis intervention.
The Adelmans also felt the evening's discussion was
important for the community, and arranged to have the discussion taped
for anyone who was not able to attend.
In speaking before the group, Collins tried to provide
advice on how to help survivors who had lost someone to suicide through
the difficult times ahead. She encouraged the community, above all, to
be available to the family.
"A lot of times people will say, 'I don't know what to
say,'" Collins said. "You don't have to say anything. Just give them a
hug. Tell them you love them. Tell them you care about them." Most
importantly, "Don't avoid them."
Harris told the group not to ask too many questions,
rather to make statements. "I''m sorry to hear about your loss,'" he
said, as an example. "'I want to bring dinner.' Give them a hug. Tell
them you love them. Those kinds of things."
Collins said to keep the questions general, such as, "'I
want to know how you are today.' 'Who have you talked to?' 'Have you
eaten?'"
She said it is also important to try to get survivors to talk.
"Often people say, 'Nobody says my son's name, I just want to hear his
name.' Don't act like the person has never had a life, because they
have, and the family wants to hear about them, even if they cry. They
are going to be crying anyway. How can they not cry? They just lost a
child, they are going to cry," she said.
Collins also tried to give the group a glimpse into what
is going on inside the mind of someone who is suicidal. She spoke of a
twelve year old boy who said he felt like he was in a deep ditch, and
while he knew there were people around him reaching out for him, he
also knew that nobody could reach down far enough to pull him out. She
said another girl spoke of a black cloud that followed her everywhere,
and said no light ever came into her life.
Collins said it is important to understand that with
people who are suicidal, "It is not so much that they want to die, but
that they want to escape the pain they are in."
Collins said that while frequently with suicides there
is a stress event that leads to the suicide, it is not that event alone
that caused the suicide. She described the stress event as the last
drop in a full cup of water that makes the cup overflow.
Collins listed some risk factors for suicide — such as
previous attempts, other instances of suicide in the family,
self-mutilation, drug and alcohol abuse, and depression; and symptoms
of depression — such as marked changes in behavior, self-isolation,
hopelessness and helplessness.
She also discussed suicidal warning signs, such as
talking, writing or making jokes about suicide, giving away prized
possessions, or making any kind of final arrangements, risk-taking
behavior, or a distorted thought process about themselves and their
self-worth.
But Collins emphasized, "Even when you know every single
cause in the world, even if you know every single warning sign in the
world, even if you are seeing the best psychologist or the best
psychiatrist in the world, suicide still happens, so nobody is to
blame. The family is not to blame. This is something that happens."
Collins advised people to take all threats seriously,
and to ask someone directly if you think they may be having suicidal
thoughts.
"Suicide is a very hard word to say," she said. "But
generally, if you ask people who are suicidal, they will be glad that
you asked."
Collins said to acknowledge the person's feelings,
rather than telling them their feelings are incorrect, or that they
have everything to live for. Ask if they have a plan. Ask who is the
person who should be notified of what they are dealing with. Make them
promise to hold on, because you are going to get them all of the help
they need. And then get help.
The members of the panel also emphasized the importance
of knowing when you need help yourself, and taking the appropriate
steps to get that help.
When do you know you need help?
"When you
feel that you can't stop the pain," Collins said. "When you are having
trouble thinking clearly. When you are having trouble with decision
making. When you are having trouble sleeping or eating. If you feel so
sad that you can't make it go away. When things seem to be just not
worthwhile. When you can't get someone's attention who needs to know
you are having thoughts of suicide, and you can't seem to get your life
back in control."
Albert said it is often true that "many of us much more
prefer to be the ones giving help ... It is a lot harder though to be
the one to accept help."
"If there is one thing that I have learned," he said,
"it is that every single one of us at different times in our lives has
the opportunity to give help, but also has the need to receive help."
Albert spoke about the counseling services which are available at JFCS
for the community and for anyone who needs help, regardless of whether
or not they can afford to pay for such services, and Collins noted
there are many crisis hotlines and other resources available as well.
Harris said 150 years ago in Europe we would bring our
"spiritual concerns, our emotional concerns, and sometimes our medical
concerns to the rabbi."
"If we did that today," he said, "Rabbi Bienenfeld, as
hard as he works, would be working way more, and we don't want that ...
So I encourage you, if you are feeling at all any of the things Nancy
spoke about, or you think that someone you love or that is close to is
experiencing anything like this, please go to your rabbi and get some
resources ... The thing that you could do that is the least healthy is
to keep this stuff to yourself."
Bienenfeld went further to say that it is one's Jewish obligation to seek help.
"We are obligated to safeguard our souls," Bienenfeld said. "You are
not allowed to put your life in jeopardy. You are not allowed to do
things to your physical body where you are going to make yourself
unhealthy, for sure ... And someone who abuses their body consciously
is in violation of halachic Torah ... There should not be a stigma
attached to saying I am having some issues and I need to speak to a
professional. Not only should there not be a stigma, it is a mitzvah to
do so."
And while Bienenfeld acknowledged that committing
suicide is committing an act of murder on one's self and is clearly
forbidden in Judaism, he also spoke about the language surrounding
suicide, which describes a deliberate act as "destroying yourself where
you are rationally aware of what you are doing," he explained, "and
where it is a cool decision, where a person simply says, 'I think I
just don't want to live anymore.' It is not being driven by depression.
It is not being driven by psychic or physical pain."
Bienenfeld said that that is not the case with most
suicides. He said most contemporary sources conclude that "for all
intents and purposes, at least to the best of my knowledge ... 99% of
the cases of what technically in the secular world would be considered
suicide are halachically not blatant suicides because in the vast
majority of these cases what has driven the person to do this is not
'lada'at, it is not something the person as control over."
The panelists stressed the importance of the community
creating open dialogue surrounding suicide, and promoting education
within the community.
Heavy metal music is symptomatic of suicide, but does
not cause someone who is not thinking of suicide to begin to entertain
such thoughts. Asking someone who is not considering suicide if they
are considering suicide will not give them the idea to commit such an
act. Challenging someone to commit suicide in hopes of dissuading them
from doing so is a terrible idea. Many times, people who commit suicide
do give warning signs, and most people who commit suicide have said
something to somebody to hint to their intensions. Only approximately
20% of people who commit suicide ever leave a note, and their notes do
not generally explain why they have done what they have done. In fact,
white people are more likely to commit suicide than black people,
married men are less likely to commit suicide than single men and
single women are less likely than married women. Suicide is more likely
to occur in remote areas, where there are less resources available.
People who commit suicide are not looking for attention, but need all
of the attention they can get.
And no, suicidal people do not want to die.
Donations to the Sarah Adelman Memorial Fund can be sent to the Young Israel at 8101 Delmar Blvd.
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Suicidal people want to die. A good way to stop someone from committing
suicide is to challenge them to do it. People who commit suicide are
looking for attention, and people who talk about suicide, do not commit
suicide. Black people are more likely to commit suicide than white
people, marrried men are more likely to commit suicide than single men
and single women are more likely than married women. Suicide is more
likely to occur in busy, crowded cities, such as New York. Most people
who commit suicide leave notes. People who are suicidal give no
warnings. If you ask someone about suicide they may start to think it
is a good idea. And heavy metal music leads to suicide.
If you are like most people, there is a good chance you
thought at least one of the above myths about suicide was true. Maybe
you believed them all. According to Nancy Collins, these are common
myths most people have about suicide, and even Collins admitted to
believing some of these myths before going to work at Life Crisis
Services, where she currently serves as senior therapist.
Another common myth surrounding suicide and mental
illness, which may be particularly pervasive within the Jewish
community, is the myth that the best way to deal with such issues is to
not talk about them.
Lou Albert, executive director of Jewish Family and
Children's Services, said the Jewish community is no different than the
general community in the kinds of problems it deals with, "but yet we
don't talk about a lot of things that happen, and I would say that is
not necessarily in our best interest."
"Community discussions about difficult topics are always the way to go," he said.
On Sunday, July 30, the Jewish community was invited to Young Israel
for a discussion on "Suicide: The Reality, the Facts, the Help:
Professional and Religious Perspectives," moderated by Rabbi Jeffrey
Bienenfeld and with presentations by Collins, Albert and Dr. Ed Harris,
a local psychologist. The discussion was supposed to take place in a
meeting room at the Young Israel, but was moved to the sanctuary when
it became clear there was going to be a large turnout. As one woman
from the audience stated during the question portion of the evening,
"We've had this event that has shattered our community."
The woman was referring to the suicide of Sarah Adelman,
daughter of Edward and Avril Adelman of St. Louis, on the Upper West
Side of New York on July 24.
Adelman grew up in St. Louis and moved to New York after
graduating from Brandeis University. She was working as a dental-office
manager in Rockefeller Center.
The funeral was held at Berger Memorial Chapel on July 26.
At the discussion, Bienenfeld described Adelman as "lovely, bright and
spunky," and said she was a source of pride to her family and all of
her friends, and the community.
"It is still difficult to believe that this all happened
less than a week ago," Bienenfeld said. "And we all miss her terribly,
and we feel for the family."
Bienenfeld said the Adelman family was understandably
conflicted about what to say when the circumstances surrounding Sarah's
death became known, "but to their credit they soon realized that
Sarah's tragic death might be an opportunity to assist others in
dealing with the psychic pain that so often leads to suicide."
The Adelman family founded the Sarah Adelman Memorial
Fund, with one of its stated missions being to support programs and
initiatives to help individuals deal with psychological and social
issues, including the tragedy of suicide. The fund will also support
individuals in need of counseling and crisis intervention.
The Adelmans also felt the evening's discussion was
important for the community, and arranged to have the discussion taped
for anyone who was not able to attend.
In speaking before the group, Collins tried to provide
advice on how to help survivors who had lost someone to suicide through
the difficult times ahead. She encouraged the community, above all, to
be available to the family.
"A lot of times people will say, 'I don't know what to
say,'" Collins said. "You don't have to say anything. Just give them a
hug. Tell them you love them. Tell them you care about them." Most
importantly, "Don't avoid them."
Harris told the group not to ask too many questions,
rather to make statements. "I''m sorry to hear about your loss,'" he
said, as an example. "'I want to bring dinner.' Give them a hug. Tell
them you love them. Those kinds of things."
Collins said to keep the questions general, such as, "'I
want to know how you are today.' 'Who have you talked to?' 'Have you
eaten?'"
She said it is also important to try to get survivors to talk.
"Often people say, 'Nobody says my son's name, I just want to hear his
name.' Don't act like the person has never had a life, because they
have, and the family wants to hear about them, even if they cry. They
are going to be crying anyway. How can they not cry? They just lost a
child, they are going to cry," she said.
Collins also tried to give the group a glimpse into what
is going on inside the mind of someone who is suicidal. She spoke of a
twelve year old boy who said he felt like he was in a deep ditch, and
while he knew there were people around him reaching out for him, he
also knew that nobody could reach down far enough to pull him out. She
said another girl spoke of a black cloud that followed her everywhere,
and said no light ever came into her life.
Collins said it is important to understand that with
people who are suicidal, "It is not so much that they want to die, but
that they want to escape the pain they are in."
Collins said that while frequently with suicides there
is a stress event that leads to the suicide, it is not that event alone
that caused the suicide. She described the stress event as the last
drop in a full cup of water that makes the cup overflow.
Collins listed some risk factors for suicide — such as
previous attempts, other instances of suicide in the family,
self-mutilation, drug and alcohol abuse, and depression; and symptoms
of depression — such as marked changes in behavior, self-isolation,
hopelessness and helplessness.
She also discussed suicidal warning signs, such as
talking, writing or making jokes about suicide, giving away prized
possessions, or making any kind of final arrangements, risk-taking
behavior, or a distorted thought process about themselves and their
self-worth.
But Collins emphasized, "Even when you know every single
cause in the world, even if you know every single warning sign in the
world, even if you are seeing the best psychologist or the best
psychiatrist in the world, suicide still happens, so nobody is to
blame. The family is not to blame. This is something that happens."
Collins advised people to take all threats seriously,
and to ask someone directly if you think they may be having suicidal
thoughts.
"Suicide is a very hard word to say," she said. "But
generally, if you ask people who are suicidal, they will be glad that
you asked."
Collins said to acknowledge the person's feelings,
rather than telling them their feelings are incorrect, or that they
have everything to live for. Ask if they have a plan. Ask who is the
person who should be notified of what they are dealing with. Make them
promise to hold on, because you are going to get them all of the help
they need. And then get help.
The members of the panel also emphasized the importance
of knowing when you need help yourself, and taking the appropriate
steps to get that help.
When do you know you need help?
"When you
feel that you can't stop the pain," Collins said. "When you are having
trouble thinking clearly. When you are having trouble with decision
making. When you are having trouble sleeping or eating. If you feel so
sad that you can't make it go away. When things seem to be just not
worthwhile. When you can't get someone's attention who needs to know
you are having thoughts of suicide, and you can't seem to get your life
back in control."
Albert said it is often true that "many of us much more
prefer to be the ones giving help ... It is a lot harder though to be
the one to accept help."
"If there is one thing that I have learned," he said,
"it is that every single one of us at different times in our lives has
the opportunity to give help, but also has the need to receive help."
Albert spoke about the counseling services which are available at JFCS
for the community and for anyone who needs help, regardless of whether
or not they can afford to pay for such services, and Collins noted
there are many crisis hotlines and other resources available as well.
Harris said 150 years ago in Europe we would bring our
"spiritual concerns, our emotional concerns, and sometimes our medical
concerns to the rabbi."
"If we did that today," he said, "Rabbi Bienenfeld, as
hard as he works, would be working way more, and we don't want that ...
So I encourage you, if you are feeling at all any of the things Nancy
spoke about, or you think that someone you love or that is close to is
experiencing anything like this, please go to your rabbi and get some
resources ... The thing that you could do that is the least healthy is
to keep this stuff to yourself."
Bienenfeld went further to say that it is one's Jewish obligation to seek help.
"We are obligated to safeguard our souls," Bienenfeld said. "You are
not allowed to put your life in jeopardy. You are not allowed to do
things to your physical body where you are going to make yourself
unhealthy, for sure ... And someone who abuses their body consciously
is in violation of halachic Torah ... There should not be a stigma
attached to saying I am having some issues and I need to speak to a
professional. Not only should there not be a stigma, it is a mitzvah to
do so."
And while Bienenfeld acknowledged that committing
suicide is committing an act of murder on one's self and is clearly
forbidden in Judaism, he also spoke about the language surrounding
suicide, which describes a deliberate act as "destroying yourself where
you are rationally aware of what you are doing," he explained, "and
where it is a cool decision, where a person simply says, 'I think I
just don't want to live anymore.' It is not being driven by depression.
It is not being driven by psychic or physical pain."
Bienenfeld said that that is not the case with most
suicides. He said most contemporary sources conclude that "for all
intents and purposes, at least to the best of my knowledge ... 99% of
the cases of what technically in the secular world would be considered
suicide are halachically not blatant suicides because in the vast
majority of these cases what has driven the person to do this is not
'lada'at, it is not something the person as control over."
The panelists stressed the importance of the community
creating open dialogue surrounding suicide, and promoting education
within the community.
Heavy metal music is symptomatic of suicide, but does
not cause someone who is not thinking of suicide to begin to entertain
such thoughts. Asking someone who is not considering suicide if they
are considering suicide will not give them the idea to commit such an
act. Challenging someone to commit suicide in hopes of dissuading them
from doing so is a terrible idea. Many times, people who commit suicide
do give warning signs, and most people who commit suicide have said
something to somebody to hint to their intensions. Only approximately
20% of people who commit suicide ever leave a note, and their notes do
not generally explain why they have done what they have done. In fact,
white people are more likely to commit suicide than black people,
married men are less likely to commit suicide than single men and
single women are less likely than married women. Suicide is more likely
to occur in remote areas, where there are less resources available.
People who commit suicide are not looking for attention, but need all
of the attention they can get.
And no, suicidal people do not want to die.
Donations to the Sarah Adelman Memorial Fund can be sent to the Young Israel at 8101 Delmar Blvd.
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